Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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Jehovah's Witnesses including its leaders are in the business of lying

by Finkelstein in

......endeavored to create an image of the organization which they are a identifying part of.. when you think about this religious organization and most its social ideological expressions are expressed through lying.

its doctrines are lies and not supported by the bible.. the leaders intentionally twisted doctrines to enhance the proliferation of the literature the wts published, which were a false theology through their interpretation of the bible.

the proclamation that jws are generally good wholesome living honest people.. there is constant endeavor by the people involved to hold up a pretentious veil of honest righteousness identifying the organization and its adherent followers.

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Its doctrines are lies and not supported by the bible

Not all of them. Whereas the bible is not very consistent about anything, so it’s difficult to say what it supports, I would say that on balance the WT stand, for example, on the immortal soul, hellfire and the trinity and doctrines that are not lies.

As for their position on lying itself, don’t forget that the bible is not averse to lying. Abraham lied several times saying Sarah was his sister, Jacob lied to Isaac when he impersonated Esau, Joseph had his family lie to Pharaoh about their occupation, God blessed the Egyptian midwives when they lied about Hebrew women giving birth before they arrived… the list is endless - and all done with God’s blessing.

So by lying when it suits them, the WT is practicing a doctrine that is supported by the bible.

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JWs celebrating New Year's?

by neat blue dog in

there are a few active jws i know (separate, in different areas) who basically celebrate new years, having a party to watch the ball drop, posting about it on social media, one even saying literally "happy new year" .

but most other jws seem to not want to point out the elephant in the room.

has anybody else seen this, or ever seen it turn judicial?

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Or is it overlooked like birthdays are with some?

I really don't know what they've got against birthdays, after all, they're good for you. Statistics show that those who have the most live the longest.

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Unbelievable

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

just received this on a very excited note from someone who is pimi.this is how some people start their year 2019.. very happy to say that the year 2019 marks for us 100 years out of darkness from babylon the great!.

additionally, it marks the 105th year of christ's rule in heaven (1914 a.d.), 2,021st year since jesus was born on earth (2 b.c.e.

), 4,391st year since the deluge (2370 b.c.e.

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2019 also marks 105 years since Armageddon was supposed to have come. 94 years since it was supposed to have come again. 44 years since it was supposed to have come yet again. Take your pick for all the other times it was supposed to have come.

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Library now cleared out

by UnshackleTheChains in

well, it looks like the axe has finally fallen on our kh library.

during a deep clean of the local kh, a brother suddenly informed everyone 'whikst cleaning' that all the old books including bound volumes of the watchtower etc was to be chucked in the skip.. from what i heard, some were taken aback by this and quite annoyed that no announcement was made; that no one was given the choice of taking some of these books home to keep.

i mean the entire collection of studies in the scriptures and others that go back an entire century.

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Someway need to get this information into the cloud to out survive us

Quite a few someone's have. Virtually every book, booklet, Watchtower, Golden Age/Consolation/Awake! that Russell and the WTS have ever published - it’s all up there somewhere. Here's just a few places;

https://archive.org/download/WatchtowerLibrary/

https://wtarchive.wordpress.com/english/

https://avoidjw.org/magazines/

http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/

http://www.ctrussell.us/ctrussell.nsf/Watchtower?OpenView

I honestly can't think of anything printed in such quantity which has proved to be less useful

True, but it’s useful now. Useful in debunking their bullshit, so the rubish bin is the last place it should go

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Another silly Bible story...brought to you by the ''old and tired Moses''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

exodus 17:8-16 new international version (niv)the amalekites defeated8 the amalekites came and attacked the israelites at rephidim.

9 moses said to joshua, “choose some of our men and go out to fight the amalekites.

tomorrow i will stand on top of the hill with the staff of god in my hands.”10 so joshua fought the amalekites as moses had ordered, and moses, aaron and hur went to the top of the hill.

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I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven

My copy of this says, "I will completely blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven", but either way, Jah's done the exact opposite by inspiring Moses to record it in his infallible Word. Doh!

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Library now cleared out

by UnshackleTheChains in

well, it looks like the axe has finally fallen on our kh library.

during a deep clean of the local kh, a brother suddenly informed everyone 'whikst cleaning' that all the old books including bound volumes of the watchtower etc was to be chucked in the skip.. from what i heard, some were taken aback by this and quite annoyed that no announcement was made; that no one was given the choice of taking some of these books home to keep.

i mean the entire collection of studies in the scriptures and others that go back an entire century.

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I don’t get it. We all know they don’t like their sheep looking at the really old stuff, but when did they ask people to get rid of their WT CDs? The Watchtower CD is still available on-line, and the WT On-line Library still has Watchtowers going back to 1950, and Awakes & KMs going back to 1970, so you can still view on jw.org the infamous encouragement given in 1974 to sell your house and enter the pioneer service. And the KH Library is a reference library, just because you can’t take the books out doesn’t mean you can’t read them. I have copies of virtually every magazine and book they’ve published since 1874, so while burning hard copies is a tragedy, it’s too late. The truth is out there.

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Yet another example why you can't reason with a JW

by nowwhat? in

so i mentioned to my pimi brother that the org.

only grew by 1.4 % 2 years in row and if you factor in the birthrate of 1.1 % that's only 3/10 of 1% growth for all that hard work.

i thought people would be streaming to the mountain of jehovah in the last days?

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Thanks recluse - took me a while, but I managed to figure out the last one all by myself.

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Yet another example why you can't reason with a JW

by nowwhat? in

so i mentioned to my pimi brother that the org.

only grew by 1.4 % 2 years in row and if you factor in the birthrate of 1.1 % that's only 3/10 of 1% growth for all that hard work.

i thought people would be streaming to the mountain of jehovah in the last days?

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This might sound strange, but I've not come across the acronym PIMI before. After a quick search on this site I’m none the wiser, except that I came across POMO, which I have also not heard of. Can someone please tell me what they mean?

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2018 Service Year Report - Released on jw.org

by Drearyweather in

2018 service year report of jehovah’s witnesses worldwide.

see details of the global preaching work of jehovah’s witnesses from september 2017 to august 2018.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/2018-service-year-report/.

average publishers preaching each month: 8,360,594 (2017 - 8,248,982).

Ultimate Axiom

Up until the 1935 teaching was changed, that number was going down. Thereafter, it never stopped going up.

Not quite true. From 1953-1969 the number continued to go down every year, halving from 19,183 to 10,360. From 1971-2005 it went down more times than it went up, starting at 10,526 and ending at 8,524. Since then however, it has gone up every year, and at an alarming rate for the GB, more than doubling, now standing at its highest level since they started publishing the figures.

I may be wrong but I think that’s the first time ever that the number of congregations has gone down.
You are not wrong - it's the first decrease since they started publishing the fingures in the Yearbooks.

have they really published the average figure this year
Yes, and they published it last year as well, but in the summary, not the tables.

(say from 65 years of age and older) are highly useless due to their age
Hey man, steady on. I'm 65, and I might be useless, but not "highly" useless!

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Any Good 1975 Stories?

by Think About It in

jw
friends

despite denial by the wts of any 1975 armageddon predictions zealous jw's did believe it, openly talked about it, and some even sold houses & belongings in anticipation of it.

do you have or know of any good 1975 stories?.

here's mine.........i was a freshman in college and had quit attending the kh back in hs.

Ultimate Axiom

For those who still argue that the Watchtower did not specifically state that 1975 would see Armageddon, consider what they did say;

1. The 1000 year reign of Christ would start within a few years of 1968.

2. Armageddon would come before the 1000 year reign of Christ starts.

3. The 1000 year reign of Christ would end before the end of God’s 7th creative Day.

4. God’s creative Day is 7000 years long.

5. God’s 7th Day started a few weeks or months after Adam was created.

6. Adam was created in 4026 BCE.

So while it is true that the Watchtower did not use the words, “Armageddon will come by 1975”, these six statements are saying precisely that.

For reference see, Watchtower, May 1, 1968, page 272, par 7, and Watchtower, August 15, 1968, page 499, par 30.